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- How does an alternator work?
- Do I need a
larger Battery
wire to the
Alternator?
- What
is a Self Exciting (One-wire) Alternator?
- Do
I need a high amp voltage regulator when using a high output alternator?
- I need more power at
Idle
- My GM or Ford
alternator does not work, what now?
- How
much engine horse power does an alternator take?
- What
battery wire size do I use?
- How do I wire a GM (Delco-Remy) alternator to
make it work?
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What is the most common cause of alternator
electrical failure?
Do I need a Bigger Battery wire to the Alternator?
When upgrading to a higher output
alternator you should always install a larger wire between the alternator and
battery. Even with a standard output alternator you will get better performance
and life out of your alternator if you upgrade the main battery wiring. The
original wire just isn't large enough for proper power transfer.
If you are using your alternator to it's maximum output or when you upgrade to a
higher output Alternator you must increase the wires size. An
alternators ability to send the power it is making to the battery is directly
related to the wire size and quality of connection between the alternator and
battery.
Also, a wire that is to small when used on a high output alternator can cause
the power to back up within the alternator making it overheat, burn up and
fail.
Another area that little is paid
attention to is the ground. You must also improve the ground as well. A poor
ground will hinder the alternators ability to send power to the battery and can
burn an alternator up just as fast as an inadequate alternator to battery wire.
Your ground may be fine when you first install your alternator but over time
corrosion and resistance builds up in the ground connections. This is why it is
best to run the ground directly from the rear of the alternator to the battery.
Here is another great auto
electric tip from Randy DuBois on upgrading the wire between the alternator and
battery. Randy says, you do not need to rip out your old wiring when
upgrading. You can piggy back a second wire between the alternator and battery.
The main battery wire connected to the back of the alternator has power to it at
all times, even when the vehicle is shut off. You connect this wire like
normal then you run a second wire between the alternator and battery. The power
coming out of the alternator will treat the two wires as one, power follows the
path of least resistance.
On a safety note, when running
the second wire you should fuse it near the battery. The fuse is just in case
the wire gets pinched or shorted out, the fuse will blow instead of the wire
burning up. You should use the largest fuse you can for the wire size, fuses are
restrictive to current flow. Typically you want the fuse value to equal 80% of
the wires load carrying capacity.
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What is a
Self Exciting One-wire Alternator?
A self exciting or "One wire" alternator as it some times called, has only one
wire running to it., that one wire is the main large battery wire. Don't confuse
one wire because the plug going to the alternator only has one wire to it, this
is a two wire system. The one wire, self exciting alternator that uses a special
voltage regulator that doesn't need an ignition wire to activate it.
This type alternator only requires a battery wire hooked to it. The voltage
regulator contains
circuitry that uses the residual magnetism in the alternators fields to
determine when
to turn the alternator on, the regulator does this by sensing the RPM the
alternator is turning.
When the alternator gets to a certain rpm the voltage regulator "turns on".
Typically you start
the vehicle, rev the motor slightly then the alternator starts charging. This
type alternator is
commonly used on custom cars & trucks, tractors and other non standard
applications when
wiring is a factor. In choosing this type alternator you must consider, do you
want
to rev your motor slightly to get the alternator to turn on. Also when using the
self-exciting
alternator on tractors or other slow turning motors does the engine
have enough RPM's to start the alternator charging. This can be overcome by
using a smaller
pulley or by adding an ignition wire. Is another name for the Self-Exciting
Alternator mentioned above. You only need connect the battery wire (one-wire).
Two-wire
Alternator:
Most standard and all self-exciting regulator alternators
will work using the two wire setup. Two wire means that you use the battery wire
and an ignition wire to activate the alternator. With this setup the alternator
starts charging as soon as the engine is running
Three-wire Alternator:
This setup uses a battery wire, ignition/warning light wire
and voltage sensing wire, Three wires.
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Do I need to change my voltage regulator when using a high output alternator?
When you upgrade your existing alternator you
shouldn't need to upgrade your
voltage regulator. When upgrading to a high output alternator you rarely need
to change your voltage regulator. The voltage regulator controls the alternator
output by sending power to the rotor (field). The rotor spins inside of the
stator,
the reaction between the rotor & stator is how power is induced within the
stator.
The voltage regulator senses the battery voltage, if the battery needs more
power
the voltage regulator sends power to the rotor coil turning the alternator on.
If the
regulator senses that the battery or system needs a lot of power it sends
maximum
voltage to the rotor making it a big electro magnet thus causing the alternator
to produce
maximum power. If the regulator senses a small need at the battery it will send
minimal
power to the rotor causing the alternator to produce little power. Never
does the alternators amperage go thought the voltage regulator. The area of
concern when changing to a high output alternator is the amperage draw of the
rotor. The voltage regulator does have a field amperage rating and because it
has direct contact with the rotor you must be concerned with the amperage draw
of the rotor. If the amperage draw of the rotor is greater than the rating for
the
voltage regulator the regulator will fail.
I
need more power at Idle
There are several ways to get more power at lower
engine speeds. If you only require a little more power at lower engine speeds
you may be able to use a smaller pulley. The smaller pulley turns the alternator
faster at lower speeds thus making more power. When using
a smaller pulley care should be taken not to over rev the motor. If you over rev
the alternator with a smaller pulley the alternator can fail.
The best way by far to obtain more power at lower
engine speeds is to install an oversize alternator. The physically larger
alternators produce more power at lower engine speeds and are much more reliable
at higher outputs.
Installing a higher output alternator that is the same size as your original
alternator will not give you more power at idle.
There are several things you can do to get to the bottom
of a non-working alternator The first thing you should look to is the ignition
wire that activates the alternator. Both Ford and GM, as well as most Import
vehicles, us some sort of ignition wire. This ignition wire is fused so to check
for a blown fuse turn the ignition on and check the ignition wire to the
alternator. It should have power when the key is on an no power with it off.
Check battery: You must have a good battery with good
connections for an alternator to work properly.
Check belt: Your belt must be in good condition and
properly tensioned.
Battery Cable: The cable between the alternator and
battery must be properly matched for the amperage alternator. If you are running
a higher output alternator you must have a larger cable. We have found the even
the factory cables are not large enough for standard output alternators. You
should also consider running a separate ground cable from the alternator to the
battery for better efficiency
How do I wire a GM
(Delco-Remy) alternator to make it work
Wiring the Si series alternator
General Motors has only had 4 different series alternators since it first
replaced generators with alternators in the 1960's.
The very first alternator was the 10-DN externally regulated alternator. The
first internal regulated alternator was the 10-Si
series starting in the early 70's and used till the mid 80's. These alternators
have been quite popular for auto, truck,
industrial, marine, farm and adaptive applications. Since the introduction of
the 10-Si GM's Delco-Remy had offered the
12Si, 15Si, 17Si, 27Si then the CS and AD series alternators for car & light
trucks
This first section will cover wiring information for the SI series only, we will
go over the CS and AD series wiring later.
Although they may vary in size and output the wiring is the same for all the Si
series, wiring these alternators is quite simple.
All the Si alternators can be considered both 2 and 3 wire systems. To activate
these alternators you are only required to
supply the main battery wire to the (BAT) terminal which must have power on and
an ignition wire to the #1 terminal.
Most all the Si series alternators should have two spade terminals, but some
that have three terminals, the third
is for a tach connection. Near the spade terminals the rear housing should be
marked #1 & 2. Some aftermarket
housings are not marked and others may be worn off, so if yours is unmarked,
looking from the rear of the alternator
the #1 terminal is on the left and the #2 on the right. As I said earlier you
only need an ignition wire to the #1
terminal to make the Si alternator work. The #2 terminal is voltage sensing,
this is an optional terminal. The #2 voltage sensing
terminal is for the voltage regulator to sense what voltage the battery is at so
it knows when to turn the alternator on and off.
The reason the #2 terminal is optional is that if it is not used the regulator
reverts to internal sensing and picks up the
battery voltage at the main battery wire on the back of the alternator. I've
seen alternators wired with a jumper from the #2
terminal directly to the battery connection at the back of the alternators, this
is not needed.
The ignition wire to the #1 terminal can be supplied in two ways, either a
direct ignition wire from the key switch or through a
light bulb. Running the ignition wire through a light bulb before connection to
the alternator will give you a warning if your alternator
fails to start charging or if it quits working while the engine is running, this
is commonly known as the idiot light. Another thing that
should be mentioned is the #1 terminal must be ignition switched. I have heard
of situations where a wire was run to the #1 terminal
that had power on at all times. What happens is when the engine is turned off
the #1 terminal switches to ground which over time
can burn up the voltage regulator or the wire if power is not cut to the #1
terminal.
Another note for special installations of the Si series alternator is that in
some cases when you try to shut the vehicle off it continues to run.
This is caused by the fact that once the alternator starts charging the
voltage regulator switches the #1 terminal from ground to positive power, the
plus power feads up to the coil and keeps the vehicle running.
To cure this you must install a diode in the ignition wire that activates the #1
terminal. The diode will stop the power from feeding back up the ignition line.
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What is the most common cause of alternator electrical failure?
The component that has the highest failure rate on most alternators is the
Bridge Rectifier. The Bridge Rectifier (aka rectifier) is the component that
converts the Alternating Current (AC) that an alternator makes to Direct Current
(DC) for use by the vehicle. Over time or under high demand situations the
diodes in the bridge rectifier can become weak, they don't do as good a job as
they did when they were new. You can tell your bridge rectifier is going bad
when you first start a cold vehicle and it charges better at first compared to
after it warms up. As the diodes in the bridge rectifier heat up they don't work
as well. In high demand situations the more AC power the alternator makes, based
on demand, the more power the rectifier has to convert to DC leading to a
greater chance of diode failure.
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